Well this is awkward.
When you are sitting in the library bragging about the vivisection you performed on three innocent beings in your bio class or whatever, just remember you are a god damn scum bag and if there were no consequences I would rip your throat out with no reservations.
* after I ripped your throat out I’d call it science and claim the data was inconclusive
On top of that, I want to ask you - do you believe in free speech? I bet you’d like to think you’re pretty liberal. What goes with liberal territory is the “freedom of speech unless you’re not with us” hypocrisy. Telling somebody that an entire concept is “wrong” is not accepting the fact that there may be many different perspectives to your undoubtedly under-informed understanding of a situation. Veganism is no more universally “right” as carnivory is “wrong”.
If you care about the life of the planet, which I can say that I do too - perhaps you and others shouldn’t be so quick to write off an entire human concept, such as omnivory (as it has and will exist in primitive, sustainable, and beneficial ways for centuries). Instead, look for its benefits and potential. Especially when you all contribute to human destruction, enslavement and exploitation with Apple products, brand new clothes, alcohol, cigarettes, and vehicles. Don’t those affect the Earth?
I do not think I have missed any of your points but now that you have abandoned the majority of them in order to bring up new points I guess it doesn’t matter. Although some argue that ethics are not objective, when speaking about veganism I am not pointing to idea that everyone shares the same ethical guidelines, what I am pointing to is the general schizophrenia that characterizes most people’s ethics.
At the baseline of this moral schizophrenia is sentience and what rights sentience affords to those of the human species. Most people believe that regardless of race, gender, intelligence and ability humans deserve basic rights. Even humans who do not have the mental capacity to understand what it means to have these rights, like infants, are protected because they are sentient and they have the ability to feel pain, to suffer. Non-humans are also sentient. However, they are not afforded these same rights. When examined in the context of nearly universal ethical guidelines, the fact that we afford rights to humans based on sentience yet exclude non-humans is illogical and extremely hypocritical. The only reason that non-humans are excluded from human’s ethical community is because they are non-human. This is called speciesism.
Although you did little to explain your point about hunting or why you believe it is ethically superior to agriculture let me just get it out of the way and tell you now, it is not. If sentience is the marker we use to dictate who is afforded the right to not be murdered than non-humans should also be afforded that right.
Although your point about free speech is also irrelevant I will address it. I believe in free speech. What I do not believe in is the exploitation of non-humans. You can spew hate for non-humans every day of the week and although I definitely do not agree with this type of behavior, until it actually infringes upon the rights of others, like when you put a bullet into a non-human, there is little I can say besides you are an asshole.
Your point about environmentalism is also irrelevant. Although the environment is important, just as you wouldn’t bring up environmentalism in a conversation about sexism, there is no reason to bring up the health of the environment in a conversation about specieism and the oppression of non-humans. Since we are on the subject though it is important for you to know that switching to a plant based diet (which is not the entirety of veganism but is a part of it) can be extremely beneficial to the environment. Plant-based foods are less energy intensive than animal-based ones. (source) Not to mention “producing the world’s beef and pork intake creates more greenhouse gases than all of the planet’s cars, planes and boats combined” (source). Considering that took me maybe 30 seconds to google, if I were you, I would do a little bit more research before attempting to claim that vegans aren’t inadvertently doing their part as environmentalists.
Good day.
Ps. Just for clarification, humans are not carnivores.
First, I find it a little odd that you are addressing this message to me, someone who reblogged the “I am not sorry for being truthful” post rather than the original poster xvxavier.
Second, at no point in that post did they ever equate factory farming with meat eating. In fact, I think you have missed the entire point of that post and veganism in general. Vegans are not just opposed to factory farming. They are opposed to all the ways in which the disgusting human race exploits non-humans. This includes but is not limited to raising non-humans for food/clothing, using them for entertainment, and vivisection.
The “massacring of animals” which you claim is “abhorrent and disgusting” is happening everywhere, not just on factory farms. Just because the animal products you buy are supposedly “organic, free range, cage free etc” does not mean that these products are in any way more ethically justifiable to consume. The production of these products has only been possible due to the enslavement of innocent non-humans.
These non-humans have still been stripped of their rights. They have been objectified and treated as property rather than the sentient beings they are. The most mundane of human interests, taste/pleasure, has been prioritized over the basic interests of these non-humans including their right to be alive and to live a life free from slavery. Non-humans are being killed by the millions every single day to feed people like you. Millions of others are being raped and living short lives of torture so that you can have other animal products that you do not need. There is no way to justify that.
The fact that you believe that there is a “sustainable” and “healthy” way to live as an omnivore is irrelevant because there is a sustainable and healthy way to live as a vegan, which does not contribute to the exploitation of non-humans. There is no reason why anyone should continue to eat animal products and contribute to the suffering of non-humans when there is a viable alternative. This act is wrong. It is ethically unjustifiable and it is unacceptable.
You deemed this ask your attempt to be “truthful”. The only truth you have revealed is that you find the exploitation, the torture and the murder of non-humans in the name of your pursuit of pleasure acceptable. Good job.
Doesn’t it suck when you know your entire argument was bullshit so you resort to simply being a mindless prick?I’ve reblogged a couple of vegetarian type posts today, and in the past, and I just want to make my stance on this clear.
1. Eating meat is not animal cruelty. Hunting is not animal cruelty. And (some) farming is not animal cruelty.
Because you claimed that killing…
Please excuse me while I eat this delicious burger.
No. I was actually on my way out to work and simply decided to go with the “mindless prick” persona.
Long story short…
1. My aunt is an animal cruelty investigator. By law (here anyway) killing is not considered cruelty. You shoot something in the head, end of game. There is no suffering. You slice somethings throat and let them slowly bleed out, yeah..different story.
Must I really define suffering for you to realize that breeding animals in order to hold them captive for the short life you allow them, deny them the fulfillment of their own interests and then end their life either by sticking a captive bolt to their head, slitting their throats or putting them in a gas chamber constitutes causing suffering. The law does not always operate in the most ethical fashion. Just because under law killing animals is justified does not mean it is ethically justifiable or excusable.
While I know some farms do the latter, that is not to say it is all farms. Nor do any of the animals my dad hunts to feed the family suffer. Not to mention, much of our cattle, pig, and chicken population are bred for food/survival.
You keep saying the word survival but I don’t think you know what it means. You have already stated that you agree that a diet free from any animal products is a healthy alternative to an omnivorous one and I have already provided evidence that this statement is true. Animals raised for food are not bred and killed for human survival, they are bred and killed for human pleasure.
2. My diet is none of your concern. I eat meat to survive because quite frankly, protein is necessary, and I hate beans and nuts.
Your diet is every bit of my concern as soon as your diet infringes on the rights of other sentient beings. As long as your dietary choices affect the lives of others you have a responsibility to recognize that.
3. I’ve tried a vegetarian lifestyle. It didn’t suit me. So I continue to eat meat.
“It didn’t suit me” is no excuse to continue to support the murdering of billions of animals per year. The animals right to be not be treated as property, to be free to pursue their own interests and to be free from domination and exploitation is more important than your right to have something which provides you with nothing but pleasure.
I don’t dictate what is right or wrong in your dietary choices, and I would appreciate the same respect.
As soon as my dietary choices begin to infringe on the rights on other beings I would hope someone would alert me. I will never respect your dietary choices because they do just that.
At the end of the day, animals are not human. Animals do not get the same rights as humans. Human life is more important (to me) than animal life.
At the end of the day you are a speciesist who prioritizes the interests of your own species over the interests of others. Animals are sentient beings who deserve to be treated as such, not mindless meat/dairy/egg machines. Human life may be more important to you but that has nothing to do with your diet. At this point your dietary choices reveal that you believe that human pleasure is more important than animal’s lives.
The fact that I choose an omnivorous lifestyle does not make me an animal hater. Quite the contrary actually. I love animals.
I am not even going to entertain this idea again. The fact that you felt the need to bring it into the conversation once more is simply idiotic.
However, I do believe in population control, and I do believe in survival, and I believe in the right to choose how I survive.
You believe in your right to do whatever the fuck you want regardless of how it affects other beings besides yourself. The fact that someone else lives a life of misery, is exploited and objectified and is killed unnecessarily to pleasure your taste buds is irrelevant to you. Everything you have said up until now has been nothing but ideas you use to assuage your conscious after contributing to of the needless suffering and death which occurs due to your dietary choices. Cut the shit and go vegan.
I’ve reblogged a couple of vegetarian type posts today, and in the past, and I just want to make my stance on this clear.
1. Eating meat is not animal cruelty. Hunting is not animal cruelty. And (some) farming is not animal cruelty.
Because you claimed that killing and causing pain to animals is not cruelty without any facts to back that statement up let me clarify for you.
cru·el
1. willfully or knowingly causing pain or distress to others.
2. enjoying the pain or distress of others: the cruel spectators of the gladiatorial contests.
3. causing or marked by great pain or distress: a cruel remark; a cruel affliction.
Under the most basic definition of cruelty all of the actions you listed would fall under this definition.
We eat meat for surviving. End of story. Some people have found ways around it, but that does not mean everyone should.
You have just admitted that it is possible to live healthfully with a diet free from animal products. Yet, attempted to justify your continuation of eating animal products because you need them to “survive”. Thus, this point is invalid. If you need even further proof that animal products are not a necessity to a healthy lifestyle you can consult the American Diabetic Association which claims “that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases” (source).
As long as humans and animals have been coexisting, we have been eating meat. My family (as well as many families I know) hunt for food. Once again…it’s survival. Hunting is used for population control. and the farming industry, as PETA would like you to see it, is not all factory, and it is not all cruel.
Using tradition to justify unethical behavior is pretty weak. Just because humans have allowed injustices to occur both against animals and humans in the past does not excuse clear injustices occurring presently.
2. We ourselves are animals. Animals eat animals. That’s it.
Yes we are animals. However, we are also animals who have developed a system of ethics which, instead of natural instincts, guides our behavior and helps us discern right from wrong. This is what separates us from carnivorous/omnivorous free animals which consume other animals and are actively a part of natural food chains.
3. Not all vegetarians do it because they love animals. Many times it’s out of health issues. I tried giving up red meat because I have a hard time digesting it. However, most of the meals I love are cooked with red meat, and a little stomach pain every now and then is less important to me than a delicious steak. On the flip side, not all people who eat meat do it because they hate animals. Cows are one of my favorite animals. I love them more than anything.
You cannot love something and also support it’s torture and murder. You cannot degrade a being you love to property and commodify his/her body and also love him/her. It is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Yet, I also believe that they are incredibly tasty (with and without the seasonings that many people put into their meat). But I will curl up and cry if I see how my steak gets from the cute little cow grazing in the pasture to my dinner plate.
If the treatment of animals raised for food makes you want to cry than you have already accepted that supporting these industries which torture and kill animals is ethically unjustifiable and to not discontinuation your support for these industries immediately is extremely hypocritical of you.
But we have meat eaters who will shame vegetarians and say, “You cannot be healthy on that diet. Wrong. There are proteins and such in other products. You can get everything you need if you take the time to learn.
Again, supporting the fact that diets void of animal products are possible.
And then vegetarians will treat us meat eaters as if we’re criminals by telling us that animals deserve the same rights as humans.
One girl actually told me that “if you kill an animal, it should be the same punishment as if you kill a human.” No. Not okay.
But at the end of the day, what we put into our mouths is up to us. No one can tell us what we can or can’t eat.
It is up to you and no vegan can force you to eat more ethically. However, we can tell you and often that what you are doing is WRONG. Not to mention you already know it is wrong you have just placed your own pleasure, tradition and convenience above your own ethical beliefs.
So, don’t tell me that I’m a terrible person and hate animals for eating them. And I won’t tell you about the delicious ground cow I’m eating right now.
You do hate animals. If you had any feelings other than hate towards them you would stop supporting industries which kill billions of them every single year. Stop supporting the murder/rape/torture/confinement/enslavement of beings your so adamantly claim you love for you own pleasure, convenience and tradition. Go vegan.
I’ve seen this come up a lot on this site. Some argue that American Spirits, which do not contain any animal products and do not test on animals, are vegan. However, a lot of people are adamant about proclaiming all cigarettes as non-vegan because even the parent company of American Spirits, Reynolds American, tests on animals. By this definition, Tom’s toothpaste, which contains no animal ingredients and is not tested on animals would be deemed non-vegan because Tom’s is owned by Colgate.
By extension, by this definition, wouldn’t any vegan product made by a company whose parent company uses animal products/tests on animals be deemed non-vegan? Wouldn’t this also extend to distributors of products like Whole Foods which are not exclusively vegan? I can see where when possible avoiding certain brands which profit from the exploitation of animals is a good idea. However, I can also see where most companies, even those beloved by vegans, like lush, profit off of the exploitation of animals. It is silly to me to see people calling out American Spirit smokers and not buyers of Silk, Tom’s, Lush etc.
